Felony arrest in Virginia:

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How is a handgun permit not as valid as a student ID? I am guessing you don't have a handgun permit or have forgotten what is involved in getting one. The Statute states that school or work
ID's are not acceptable forms of ID.

The problem is that student ID can be issued to anyone who is enrolled which could bring in illegals who have no fait or allegiance to our country to vote. If I am correct by law are we not all required to carry a state photo ID...I dont see the big fuss, if my grandmother was 90 years old and did not have a ID, I would be wondering how she opened a checking account under the patriot act? OK I just read in Memphis a library card can get you into vote...no matter how we vote or whom we vote for the electoral vote will decide it regardless of the popular vote so why do we even try?

The student ID is an extremely well background researched document. The red tape a student goes through to get one is far more extensive than the concealed carry permit. Drivers Licenses are also issued to illegals, Army.

WC, the point is a illegal, terroist whoever can fake a document and get student ID. Colleges just want money they dont care who gets the ID..but I am sure the argument is the the same way with state ID, all you have to do is fake a BC and SSN Card

I'm disagreeing that there is any more security in a CC permit than a student ID. Remember that the person has to be attempting to impersonate a registered voter for the purposes of casting a false vote. This just doesn't happen these days. It's much easier to have your son buy the company that controls the voting machines.

seriously? you have to provide ID to buy a beer, You have to provide ID to register in a hotel, You have to provide ID to fly, You have to provide ID to open a checking account, You need ID when stopped by the police... the one thing that is demanded by the Constitution, to vote, is that I am a citizen, yet I need NOT prove it? So all these people complaining about ID's how do they survive in todays society. I just do not understand why is it so hard to pay like 8.00 and go to the DMV and show your SSN Card and birth certificate and get a ID. We can debate this til the end of time but I am just cannot help to think that after POTUS was in Arizona and was talking to the college kids who were all going to school but were here illegally all had in their pockets a student ID which is all that is needed for them to vote. What gives someone the right to vote who has broke the law and does not even have the rights to or do they have the allegiance to our country. Can you not agree with at least 75 percent of my post WC

BTW I have a CCW and I was fingerprinted and I had to fill out a extensive application prior to getting that so I think getting a CCW was more extensive than joining the Armed Forces....
I have enrolled in college and as long as I could pay the 686.00 due at the time I was then sent to the next cubicle where I was issued a Student ID so I could use the bookstore and Library and not once did I show ID, SSN Card or ID...though I did provide my ssn on a form and some other extensive questions but it was so easy that a politician could do it without a aide

BTW I have a CCW and I was fingerprinted and I had to fill out a extensive application prior to getting that so I think getting a CCW was more extensive than joining the Armed Forces....
I have enrolled in college and as long as I could pay the 686.00 due at the time I was then sent to the next cubicle where I was issued a Student ID so I could use the bookstore and Library and not once did I show ID, SSN Card or ID...though I did provide my ssn on a form and some other extensive questions but it was so easy that a politician could do it without a aide

I don't know of any student IDs that require a background check like the CCW permit does. That's not to say student IDs are not sufficiently researched with proof of identity. But I don't know of a school anywhere that requires criminal history checks.

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Army, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just pointing out that this law was intended to stop traditionally democratic voters from casting their constitutionally guaranteed vote and is doing just that. There was essentially zero voting fraud prevented by this law. In the previous 20 years researchers could only identify 6 possible cases of people voting who were not who they claimed to be. On the other hand, several hundred people have been turned back in Roane County alone, just in early voting.

Let's also note that the law was so badly written that Memphis library cards are legal ID's. I also don't think anyone will be paying $686 just to cast a fake vote.

If the TNGOP really cared about voter fraud, why would they have repealed the law requiring a hard copy of every vote cast and instead forced us to rely on electronic machines with proprietary software purchased from Republican owners?

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McCain needs to retire! I believe both sides have members who conduct voter fraud which have made the system this bad....

If we have to obtain permission to exercise a right, is it really a right?

How much voter fraud can actually alter an election? Remember the 2000 election? Let us say that Florida did vote for Al Gore, would that have changed the outcome of the election? No. The Electoral College put W. into the White House, not the votes of the people.

Now as I think on this I have to ask two questions instead of one.
1) As a citizen of Tennessee, why should I have to validate myself to exercise what is supposed to be a right?
1a) If it is to keep "terrorists" from voting {like they would} then doesn't that mean they have already won?

2) Why vote in the first place when the Electors are not required to vote as their constituents have indicated? Put another way, what makes our vote any weightier than an opinion poll on election day?

I think we've abdicated too many rights already. I do find myself agreeing more and more with the words, "Sic semper tyrannus." {thus to all tyrants} though he who made those words famous achieved his own level of infamy.

Kind of long, but here is a history of the Electoral College. My thinking at times, is to amend the Constitution and go to popular vote. Communications among the states has changed since the United States was formed. Of course the people who want popular vote to determine who will be president swings back and forth with each change of control in the White House. I would love to see the major parties disappear, perhaps then people who truly reflect the beliefs of the majority would be elected instead of voting for the party, not the candidate.

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Appreciate the link. My main point was in the first. Since 9-11 we've become so paranoid that we now feel we have to engage in the fascist practice of "Papers Please", and don't kid yourself, that is exactly what we have here in Tennessee. The attitude that "if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't mind" is exactly how Germany got into the situation they did prior to WWII. A better mantra to chant would be, "Those who fail/refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

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acquaintance, recalling my interest in the subject, recently mentioned to me his change of mind about the necessity of photo ID laws. He wondered what would motivate a person to impersonate another individual in order to cast a single vote. Mischief? Jail-time? Fine? Deportation? Certainly not altering the outcome of an election.