Submitted by WhitesCreek on March 22, 2010 - 7:13am.
"Every American will be covered under the toughest patient protections in history. Arbitrary premium hikes, insurance cancellations, and discrimination against pre-existing conditions will now be gone forever.
And we'll finally start reducing the cost of care -- creating millions of jobs, preventing families and businesses from plunging into bankruptcy, and removing over a trillion dollars of debt from the backs of our children."
Submitted by WhitesCreek on March 22, 2010 - 7:18am.
"We reflect on a President who sought every opportunity to craft a truly bipartisan bill but was thwarted by an opposition party so cynical, so disingenuous, that it decries a massive expansion of our private health insurance system as "socialism."
Submitted by WhitesCreek on March 22, 2010 - 7:24am.
Dear Republicans,
If it's any consolation, the thieves who run the health insurance companies will still get to deny coverage to adults with pre-existing conditions for the next four years. They'll also get to cap an individual's annual health care reimbursements for the next four years. And if they break the pre-existing ban that was passed last night, they'll only be fined $100 a day! And, the best part? The law will require all citizens who aren't poor or old to write a check to a private insurance company. It's truly a banner day for these corporations.
Submitted by Roane-Voter on March 22, 2010 - 7:40am.
What's sad is the quote from Obama contains more lies than the quote from Michael Moore. Oh well, 234 years was a pretty good run for the USA. The one bright spot out of this mess is that I am reminded in order to have a "Reagan" you first have to have a "Carter".
Submitted by Roane-Voter on March 22, 2010 - 8:05pm.
One has to wonder how the NBC poll was worded. Those poll questions that stick to the feel good portions of the bill will obviously produce favorable results. Questions like should insurance companies be allowed to discriminate against pre-existing conditions make it easy to generate results that make the bill look favorable. But when you actually look at how the bill is funded or what adding 30 million people to our current system actually involves then the polled realize this bill is terrible for the country.
We need to reform health care, no doubt, but not at the expense that this bill creates. How can you say, with a straight face, that funding a program by using 10 years of revenue to pay for 4 years of service is going to lower cost or not add to the deficit? It's a ponzi scheme and anyone without a "D" following their name knows it. And I bet even they know it but figure it won't matter by the time people realize what has been done to them!!
Submitted by WhitesCreek on March 23, 2010 - 7:12am.
Argue with the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office all you want to. I've run through their numbers and tend to agree with the long term projection, particularly since the bill front loads revenue for costs that won't be incurred until a few years out. How that's a Ponzi Scheme I fail to see.
Submitted by Roane-Voter on March 23, 2010 - 7:48am.
The CBO may be non-partisan but is also bound to use the rules for calculating revenues and costs that congress says the CBO has to use. So, not surprisingly, when bound by economic fantasy and not sound accounting principles the CBO has numbers that say what the authors of the bill want it to say.
You fail to see it because you choose NOT to see it.
Submitted by grasshopper on March 23, 2010 - 10:24am.
As former Vice-president Dick Cheney so famously said...
"deficits don't matter"
It's obvious deficits don't matter to some folks until Democrats are in the White house.
Last week marked the 7th anniversary of the war in Iraq. We can afford to help build schools for Iraqi children, but we can't afford to provide healthcare for American kids? Really???
Here is my problem with any monies that Congress say they want to save. They always take the first dollar and spend it someplace else. The Social Security system, the Medicare and Medicaid systems do not need to be overhauled. They just need to be left alone. But, just as soon as the money comes in, it's spent to fund other parts of a budget (extra money for pet projects). It all sounds well and good when you hear a politician say it will save money and reduce the deficit. But, until they stop treating our tax money, and money paid into Social Security like money they can go to an ATM machine and withdraw, nothing will change. One trillion dollars for a new "health care" program that will "save" money. I'll belive the fairy tale when I see it.
Dear Republicans,
Michael Moore
What's sad is the quote from Obama contains more lies than the quote from Michael Moore. Oh well, 234 years was a pretty good run for the USA. The one bright spot out of this mess is that I am reminded in order to have a "Reagan" you first have to have a "Carter".
Name one lie, RV.
And the NBC composite poll shows Americans favor the bill 46 to 45. You sir, are what you call others.
Time will tell who the liar will turn out to be. It shouldn't take that long to see what our future holds.
One has to wonder how the NBC poll was worded. Those poll questions that stick to the feel good portions of the bill will obviously produce favorable results. Questions like should insurance companies be allowed to discriminate against pre-existing conditions make it easy to generate results that make the bill look favorable. But when you actually look at how the bill is funded or what adding 30 million people to our current system actually involves then the polled realize this bill is terrible for the country.
We need to reform health care, no doubt, but not at the expense that this bill creates. How can you say, with a straight face, that funding a program by using 10 years of revenue to pay for 4 years of service is going to lower cost or not add to the deficit? It's a ponzi scheme and anyone without a "D" following their name knows it. And I bet even they know it but figure it won't matter by the time people realize what has been done to them!!
Argue with the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office all you want to. I've run through their numbers and tend to agree with the long term projection, particularly since the bill front loads revenue for costs that won't be incurred until a few years out. How that's a Ponzi Scheme I fail to see.
The CBO may be non-partisan but is also bound to use the rules for calculating revenues and costs that congress says the CBO has to use. So, not surprisingly, when bound by economic fantasy and not sound accounting principles the CBO has numbers that say what the authors of the bill want it to say.
You fail to see it because you choose NOT to see it.
As former Vice-president Dick Cheney so famously said...
"deficits don't matter"
It's obvious deficits don't matter to some folks until Democrats are in the White house.
Last week marked the 7th anniversary of the war in Iraq. We can afford to help build schools for Iraqi children, but we can't afford to provide healthcare for American kids? Really???
The battle has been won, but who will win the war? Time will tell. Will it be too late?
Here is my problem with any monies that Congress say they want to save. They always take the first dollar and spend it someplace else. The Social Security system, the Medicare and Medicaid systems do not need to be overhauled. They just need to be left alone. But, just as soon as the money comes in, it's spent to fund other parts of a budget (extra money for pet projects). It all sounds well and good when you hear a politician say it will save money and reduce the deficit. But, until they stop treating our tax money, and money paid into Social Security like money they can go to an ATM machine and withdraw, nothing will change. One trillion dollars for a new "health care" program that will "save" money. I'll belive the fairy tale when I see it.